I was signed with Major Bob Music at the time, and “Monday Morning Church” had recently been a top 5 country hit for Alan Jackson. But in spite of having a publishing deal and a hit under my belt, I was still pretty much a newbie trying to figure things out. (I still feel that way to be honest.) Anyway, Major Bob hooked me up to cowrite with a legit hit songwriter. This guy had many cuts and hits to his credit, and I was honored to get in a room with him.
We met at his publishing company on Music Row. After a little chit chat, he got that familiar look on his face.
I mean, I had a bunch of hooks and some ideas, but nothing great. Nothing I was busting a gut to write. And I apparently didn’t have anything that impressed him, either. After I threw out several “shoulder-shruggers,” he said, “Man, we need an idea like ‘Monday Morning Church.'” Too bad. I must have left my stack of “Monday Morning Church” ideas at home that morning.
We chatted some more, eventually moving out to the porch where he smoked a cigarette and I watched my hopes of making a good impression going up in smoke. We called it a day. I call it a failure of preparation on my part. We’ve never written again. For me, I was embarrassed and in no hurry to risk wasting his time again.
Now for the good cowrite.
I met Byron Hill at Chad Green’s ASCAP Country Workshop. And, if I remember correctly, Carla Wallace at Big Yellow Dog Music also helped connect us. We got a cowrite on the books, and I was pumped. Byron has written a bunch of hits including, “Fool Hearted Memory” for George Strait, “Born Country” for Alabama, “Politics Religion & Her” for Sammy Kershaw and many, many more.
I did my homework. I pulled together several ideas and lyrics that I thought he’d like. I really wanted to make a good impression on him. When Byron asked, “So… got any ideas?” I was ready. He loved a lyric sketch I brought in called, “Ring On The Bar,” and we were off to the races.
This first cowrite led to some success and more opportunity. While “Ring On The Bar” hasn’t been a big hit yet, it’s been recorded by John Pierce (RCA), James Dupre’ (The Voice), and has been on hold by several artists, including Brad Paisley.
But the big thing is that Byron and I went on to write several more songs together, including the 2014 Canadian Country Music Awards Single Of The Year (and my first #1) “When Your Lips Are So Close” with Gord Bamford.
And that brings me to the point of these two stories. I believe that a strong idea is the most valuable thing you can bring to a cowrite (other than Kris Kristofferson). “Well,” you might say, “how come these big-time songwriters didn’t throw out any of THEIR ideas?” Here’s why:
Let’s face it, if you get to write with an established pro songwriter, what do THEY need from YOU?
They have a more valuable name in the business. They have more connections. They most likely bring a higher level of songwriting skill. The only thing they need is a fresh, cool idea or melody. Unless you’re swinging around a big fat record deal, your job is to bring in the idea or the start of a song.
If the pro has a great idea, he surely has several proven, established cowriters who could write it with him. Why risk giving 50% of HIS idea to a songwriter who might not contribute very much?
Let me tell you, it’s more fun (and profitable) when you have a strong answer for “got any ideas?” – and I want you to be prepared when that question comes your way. And that question doesn’t need a good answer ONLY if you get a pro cowrite. That question comes up in EVERY cowrite. Every time you step into the writing room, you have the opportunity to blow away your cowriter with a great nugget or idea.
Feeling like I have a stack of strong ideas allows me to walk into any cowrite with confidence. We might not always write my idea, but I came prepared… and my cowriter knows it and appreciates it.
I want YOU to have that confidence – and those results, too. I want your cowriters to be glad they showed up to write with you. But I DON’T want you to have to go through years of trial, error and the occasional embarrassing cowrite like I did!
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. Have you had similar success or failures? Please leave a comment!
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God Bless and Enjoy the Journey,
Brent
Brent Baxter is a hit songwriter with cuts by Alan Jackson, Randy Travis, Lady Antebellum, Joe Nichols, Gord Bamford, Ruthie Collins, Ray Stevens, and more. He’s written a top 5 hit in the US and a #1 in Canada… so far.
Great post! I can relate! While I am not and have not been signed to a pub deal, I’ve had multiple opportunities to write with pro writers, through contest wins, and other relationships like friend of a friend. A couple of my biggest opportunities I was under prepared. I had gone through 100 hooks and ideas, narrowed it down to top 20-30, and still day of, it wasn’t enough real quality killer melt your face off kind of ideas. They were good, but not amazing. Since I also have the challenge of not living there it’s even harder to nurture those relationships long distance. The combo of having written some good songs, but not great, and the long distance, has held me back from having the opportunity to write again with those pros. My number one thing to work on, is building a list of killer hooks. I also know that even if I don’t write them with a higher up pro, the best ideas stand the best chance, if they are developed well enough. So that is e next thing I do with buddies, is really explore what angle will support that hook the best. Thanks for sharing, it’s great to hear I’m not the only one who experienced this and learned what to do next time better!!!
I’ve got a question, when you bring in a killer idea is it ever a whole song that you wrote but you think the verses could be better? And if you did, would you share what you tried for the verses or just give them the crazy good hook that you know is tight? Thanks!
Sometimes I bring in a “lyric sketch,” which is a complete lyric that I think can be better. (It’s also less intimidating for your cowriter if you let them know up front that you’re open to rewriting what you brought in.) Other times, it’s a hook and a direction or a hook and a “map” (it does this in the first verse, then it goes here in the second…). Other times it’s a chorus and a direction. It varies. As for the 2nd part of your question, I share what I have if I think it’s in the ballpark. If it’s way off, I won’t share it. In those cases, I want a completely fresh perspective.
Great article Thank you for more direction. I had a session similar and my title/hook was chosen and we were off to the races. No cut on my arrangement yet but I am excited!!
The first thing I’ll say to any writer who is serious about getting legitimate cuts with major labels in Nashville is this. Whether you only write lyrics, only write melodies, or you do both. You have to be better than the established writers. If I was a writer who only wrote lyrics or only wrote melodies, I wouldn’t go into a co-write with an established pro writer with just an idea, hook or part of a melody. I would go in with a finished product. For a lyrics only writer that meanshe all your verses, your chorus, your Bridge (if you have one) the tag and the song structure. If you only write melodies bring a finished melody including the intro, solo etc. And bring your absolute best. Something your convinced is different and better than what you hear on the radio.
When you meet your established pro writer for your co-write, show up on time, be humble but confident and be open to his or her suggestions and don’t be afraid to share your own.
I totally connected with this. Several years ago I had an opportunity to write with a guy that had many number ones in the 90s silver haired talented on guitar big number one for Brad Paisley. Set in his little boathous I totally connected with this. Several years ago I had an opportunity to write with a guy that had many number ones in the 90s silver haired talented on guitar big number one for Brad Paisley. Sat in his little pool house out back, and it went pretty much like you said “got any ideas?” When I got down to idea number seven I was getting worried but he landed on it we wrote 50% of the song and then he finished it with Darius. It has not been recorded yet but I can go on ASCAP and see the publishing and our names. Of course I have also had those writes where I was not prepared or I had a sack of OK ideas and I should’ve never gone to the write. Nothing worse than a long plane flight home knowing that you blew an opportunity. I work very hard not comparing what’s on the radio and saying well I can get away with this idea because it’s just OK cause that’s what’s on the radio. No I scour everything …my heart my imagination reality conversation magazines books TV whatever looking for that pearl.
I totally connected with this. Several years ago I had an opportunity to write with a guy that had many number ones in the 90s and 2000, silver haired talented on guitar big number one for Brad Paisley. We sat in his little pool house out back, which was intimidating enough and it went pretty much like you said “got any ideas?” When I got down to idea number seven I was getting worried but he landed on it and we wrote 50% of the song and then he finished it with Darius. It has not been recorded yet but I can go on ASCAP and see the publishing and our names. Of course I have also had those writes where I was not prepared or I had a sack of OK ideas and I should’ve never gone to the write. Nothing worse than a long plane flight home knowing that you blew an opportunity. I work very hard not comparing what’s on the radio and saying well I can get away with this idea because it’s just OK cause that’s what’s on the radio. No, I scour everything…my heart, my imagination, conversation , magazines, books, TV , whatever looking for that pearl. It’s getting tougher as fewer slots are left and especially for me as a writer that doesn’t live in town. My ideas have to be beyond what someone else has. Go for great!
Great story, Lance! I hope that song finds a home! Please let us know if it does!
Thank you Brent!
